Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/26/1999 01:32 PM Senate HES

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           SB 112-POSTSECONDARY CLASS FOR HIGH SCHOOL                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER called the Senate Health, Education and Social                                                                  
Services (HESS) Committee to order at 1:32 p.m. and took up SB 112.                                                             
Senator Elton worked with the school districts and administration                                                               
and would present the changes in the proposed Committee Substitute.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON explained that on page 2, lines 5-6, the GPA was                                                                  
changed from 2.25 to 2.75, but with an added caveat that a student                                                              
with less than a 2.75 could receive permission from the school's                                                                
principal to waive the requirement.  The waiver was thought                                                                     
especially important so that 'C' students could participate in                                                                  
business or vocational education courses.  He described a student                                                               
he knew with a 1.98 GPA in high school who is concurrently                                                                      
maintaining a 4.0 GPA at UAF, stressing that the amended threshold                                                              
of 2.75 would not preclude people from participation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The second change begins on line 21 of page 3, adding a new                                                                     
paragraph (d) to accommodate the concerns heard from the school                                                                 
districts who don't want interference with existing or future                                                                   
arrangements they share with the University.  This provides that                                                                
districts could continue to make individual arrangements as long as                                                             
it is understood that the school district would pay for the tuition                                                             
under the requirements of the bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 056                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE asked if the bill includes language that the student                                                             
must be in good standing in completing credit hours and on track to                                                             
graduate from high school.  She gave an example of a student who                                                                
likes math but hates everything else and when he turns 18, he's got                                                             
college credit but no high school diploma.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON referred to page 2, line 23 which states the district                                                             
will determine the secondary school academic credits granted to a                                                               
student for the joint courses.  The district would still set the                                                                
graduation requirements and would monitor that the student is not,                                                              
for example, taking all foreign language courses and ignoring his                                                               
basic science courses.  Nothing in this bill changes the high                                                                   
school graduation requirements that are set by the district.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE responded that we don't tell the school districts                                                                
that they have to require a student to graduate, because there is                                                               
no way to do that.  She said she doesn't want to set up a case                                                                  
where a student who isn't on track with the required course work                                                                
for high school graduation can take the University courses. She                                                                 
doesn't want the district to allow the student to take five math                                                                
courses unless the student is on track with the high school                                                                     
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said he doesn't know how to ensure in any bill that                                                               
a student receives all the credits they need for graduation.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE noted on page 2, subsection (a), lines 3-10 state                                                                
that permission may not be granted unless the student has met all                                                               
the requirements to be at level 11th or 12th grade.  There is some                                                              
number of credit hours a student must have completed to be on the                                                               
graduation track, as opposed to just completing credits after                                                                   
you're a sophomore and  before you become a junior and are eligible                                                             
for this program.  If a junior failed to complete or didn't bother                                                              
to take a required course as a sophomore, when he finishes 12th                                                                 
grade he should not be allowed, in subsection (a) postsecondary                                                                 
enrollment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The students interested in postsecondary enrollment might work a                                                                
little harder to make sure they're on schedule with the courses                                                                 
they don't excel at, rather than focusing only on the courses they                                                              
like.  It's going to be a "kick" for a lot of students to go to                                                                 
campus and take courses.  SENATOR PEARCE said that she did it                                                                   
coming out of 8th grade, and she thought that it was the most                                                                   
wonderful thing because she was "so grown up."  Kids will fight to                                                              
do this, but she doesn't want them to do it unless they've                                                                      
completed their other credits.  In other words, there are things                                                                
you have to pass each year in order to graduate after four years.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She was unsure if "student enrolled in the 11th grade"  under our                                                               
laws ensures that you can't be an 11th grader unless you've                                                                     
completed prerequisites.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 166                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said a student completes the number of credits to                                                                 
advance from one grade to the next in high school.  If he fails to                                                              
do that because he's taking too many electives, the school                                                                      
counselor advises him he's falling behind and won't meet the degree                                                             
requirements set for the end of the 12th grade.  The same thing                                                                 
would happen if he was enrolled for dual credit.  Senator Elton was                                                             
unsure how to codify that other than the way it's currently set up.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER shared the example of his daughter in the 11th                                                                  
grade.  The counselor told her the classes she had to take and,                                                                 
with 2 or 3 hours left over,  the electives she could choose from.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE pointed out that if Chairman Miller's daughter had                                                               
missed a course in 10th grade, even if she planned to make it up as                                                             
an elective somehow in the 11th grade, Senator Pearce wouldn't want                                                             
her to be eligible for this program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER stated he understood that Senator Pearce is saying                                                              
she doesn't want students to be in this program if they haven't                                                                 
completed their high school requirements at that point in time.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said it's a good point.  There has always been an                                                                 
assumption that if a student is dual-enrolled, at the time they are                                                             
at the university, it's the university's problem and the time they                                                              
are at the high school, it's the high school's problem.  In the                                                                 
nineteen or twenty states with this program, they've found that                                                                 
dual-enrolled students require more active participation by the                                                                 
counselor's office to work with the student, the high school                                                                    
teachers and the family to ensure these things don't happen.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE repeated that she feels students should be caught up                                                             
before they are eligible and if they fall behind on one of the                                                                  
courses they need to graduate, then they shouldn't be eligible for                                                              
university courses until they catch up.  For example, if a student                                                              
had to take a two-semester chemistry course as a junior and didn't                                                              
pass the first semester but was on the university campus taking a                                                               
math course, then the student should catch up on chemistry before                                                               
going back to the university.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said in the case Senator Pearce cited about the                                                                   
student not fulfilling a 10th grade requirement, the student would                                                              
not be an 11th grade student, and therefore would not be able to                                                                
participate.  The problem may occur, though, with a 12th grader who                                                             
hadn't completed an 11th grade requirement because the bill does                                                                
provide that if you're in the 11th grade you can participate.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER asked the sponsor about adding a caveat such as: a                                                              
student enrolled in the 11th or 12th grade maintaining a GPA of                                                                 
2.75 or equivalent and "in good standing" - or terminology that                                                                 
means the student is where he should be as a junior, or where he                                                                
should be as a senior.  He said he was unsure what terminology                                                                  
should be used.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said she was unsure, because she didn't know that                                                                
all the school districts define it, and she wondered if the state                                                               
regulations require districts to define it that way.  It used to be                                                             
"just how many years you hung around,"  which is why students had                                                               
to pass exit exams.  Students who successfully completed the                                                                    
requirements might not be able to successfully do the work.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said he agreed with Senator Pearce's suggestion and                                                              
thought there must be a sentence or two that would add that                                                                     
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR ELTON a conceptual suggestion on page 2, line 3,  "a                                                                    
secondary student in good standing enrolled in the 11th or 12th                                                                 
grade."  The definition of "good standing" would probably have to                                                               
be applied at the district level, and he was unsure the legislature                                                             
would want to craft a state definition.  This would allow the high                                                              
school principal to say a student is not in good standing if                                                                    
deficient in some area.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE recommended asking DOE what fits better under their                                                              
regulations, because she didn't know. She offered to call the                                                                   
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER requested that Senator Elton find out the                                                                       
definition.  He would hold SB 112 and move it out on Wednesday, if                                                              
possible.  He asked for other discussion and hearing none, he held                                                              
the bill.                                                                                                                       

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